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http://turn7.net/Gallery/2006-PCA-GGR-Autox-2

I had to work this morning and the forecast called for Tstorms. But by 11 I was free and the weather was great. It was too late to prep for an autocross (I had missed at least all of the morning sessions if not part of the afternoon) but it was a perfect chance to go take some pix.

Hope you enjoy.
 
You take good pictures...

Thanks Scott,

Why didn't you say hello? I never saw you skulking around - I could have used some good advice.

I noticed from your photos my car was leaning as much or more than it ever did - the GT3 bar doesn't seem to have mitigated the roll as much as I thought it would (I'm at about 50% stiffer)... and it pushes worse than ever in the slow stuff.


kj
 
To be honest, I didn't recognize you while I was there. I didn't notice it was you until I was postprocessing my pix. I left the event thinking that hardly anybody I knew showed up but maybe I just missed them all. I didn't see Dan, Andrew B, Colm, Ken, Bill D, Joe Y, Ed S... I saw David but couldn't tell if he was driving.

Anyway, about the roll... Is the swaybar adjustable? Did you do front and rear or just front? Stiffening the front while leaving the rear as-is will cause understeer. I really liked the TRG swaybars. I got a pretty good balance with them. The understeer was gone and the oversteer was easily controlled. As opposed to stock where it would understeer at first and then be quite a handfull when it wanted to rotate. If you can't get the GT3 bar(s) to do what you want, you might want to look into them.
 
Thx Doug. Hey, I have a question for you.

So, I'm having a lot of fun panning. It's my 2nd chance to try it and I think I produced a few sharp pix. After my 1st try, I thought it would take about 50 more attempts. :-)

Anyway, forgot to look for stationary objects that will look distracting in the image. So, I had to photoshop out some pylons and that's never fun. But otherwise, I was pretty pleased with how they turned out.

Shoot, got off on a tangent. Now back to that question I promised you. ;-) Is it possible to pick a shutter speed that will freeze the car but blur the wheels without panning?

I have seen some racing pix in magazines that seem to do this in situations where panning seems impossible and where the background seems sharp too. Like when a car is coming at you and barely off to the side. You see the wheels from an angle but you can still tell if the wheels are spinning as opposed to frozen. I have a book that gives the formulas for min shutter speeds to stop a moving object relative to your distance from the path of the object. I'm *guessing* that you could set the shutter speed to this min value and it would stop the car but not be fast enough to stop the wheels. eg, car moving 100mph at a distance of 50m would require shutter speed X. Then just pick that minimum.

Other things I'm hoping to try are (as I mentioned) carefully planning what will be in the frame when panning. And also experimenting with various shutter speeds to vary the amount of background blur. I was shooting 1/30 and 1/40 but I think I could have mixed it up with some 1/60 and 1/100 and still had some *action* without making the action as dizzying as it was. I probably would have ended up with a lot more sharp pix too.

Anybody going to Laguna on the 7th for the Rolex race? I'm hoping to go but I'm not 100% sure that I can make it.
 
>>Is it possible to pick a shutter speed that will freeze the car but blur the wheels without panning?

not without panning, technically. you may get marginal results at 1/250-1/400th, but i would pan. the more the car is coming at you (as opposed to across), the less pan movement is required. you are right on that speed and distance affect the choice of shutter speed to get the desired result. on the track, a full pan shot, i usually work between 1/30th and 1/125th. the 3/4 pan shot to almost straight on, i usually work between 1/160th and 1/400th. head on shots...i used to shoot as much as possible at f2.8, just because i could, but imho, if you get even a tiny hint of a frozen wheel/tire, it ruins the picture, so now i try to not let the shutter speed go above 1/500th if this may happen.

>>Other things I'm hoping to try are (as I mentioned) carefully planning what will be in the frame when panning.

this is a big emphasis of mine now too...combining the expected result with the scene. there's a lot to think about. :-) autox - why are you removing cones???

>>And also experimenting with various shutter speeds to vary the amount of background blur.

beauty of digital. try it, try it, try it. you can get a pretty good idea of the result on the camera lcd, but a review later on a nice computer monitor will be the real test. doesn't cost you a dime. try it, try it, try it. if it's an ugly background, go as slow as possible to blur that sucker. after a few outings, you'll develop a sense of what your keeper rate will be in various situations with various camera settings.

>>I was shooting 1/30 and 1/40 but I think I could have mixed it up with some 1/60 and 1/100 and still had some *action* without making the action as dizzying as it was. I probably would have ended up with a lot more sharp pix too.

i agree. 1/20 - 1/40 is pretty slow. most people aren't terribly successful at these slow speeds. depends on what you want. if you want a good pick of every car, select a safer (faster) shutter speed; if you want a few make-your-head-spin shots, then take a risk and go slower. but you still need to consider the background. at alameda, with sf or ships in the backround, i wouldn't go SO slow that you can't make out what they are. at autocross, for motion shots, try to pan at the fastest parts of the track. it's incredibly difficult to pan through a vert slow section. something that bob c says that i now believe...you really have to concentrate while taking pics. while panning, concentrate on a single, specific point on the car...the number on the door, the driver's head, the front wheel...and concentrate.

take all of my opinions above with a grain of salt. this is MY style of shooting - what I like. try lots of things and figure out what YOU like (or what your paying customers like if you're doing it for them).

>>Anybody going to Laguna on the 7th for the Rolex race? I'm hoping to go but I'm not 100% sure that I can make it.

i'll be there saturday and sunday. i imagine that bob c will be there too.
 
"this is a big emphasis of mine now too...combining the expected result with the scene. there's a lot to think about. :-) autox - why are you removing cones??"

Well, it's really distracting when the cones look like this:
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:-)

BTW, most of my pan shots had the battleship in the background. That's what that blurry mess of grey is. I probably should have tried a few with a slightly faster shutter speed. I really have a hard time seeing much on the LCD. Even when I zoom. I'm often surprised by problems later after I get home and review.

As always, thx for the help. I'll try to make Sunday's race. If I do, hopefully I'll bump into you guys. I'll just look for guys with big cameras. :-) I guess he'll probably have a press pass and be in areas that I can't get to. What about you?
 
send an email to doug at devetter dot com and i'll send you my cell #. not sure what the details are yet...and probably won't until sunday morning. i usually try to balance:
- getting a unique or well lit shot
- chasing bob around
- trying to not stand over his shoulder all day
- making a reasonable departure to get home before my kids go to bed
 
Is this Scott B? Sure I was there but only did the morning session. I was driving my yellow Cayman.

Joe Y
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'06 Cayman S yellow
'00 Boxster (sold)
 
Yes, it is. You bought a Cayman?! Wow. How awesome. I got there right before the lunch break but I never would have noticed you in a different car. I spent almost all my time out on the course so I was just looking for cars that I recognized. BTW, how do you like the Cayman? I bet it's a blast.
 
Scott, yes I traded my white Boxster for a yellow Cayman. I LOVE this car. It's everything that the Boxster is not. Was at Thill and I ran 2:13:00 stock. Will be there again 4/28.

Tracking your M?

Joe
 
Very cool Joe. I was on the track at BW a couple of weeks ago with a new Cayman and it was waaaaay fast. Totally stock and it really moved. Great in the twisty stuff.
I have moved to the grandfather of the Boxster (read as 914) Back to my roots. this is my 4th one. Built it as a AX/TT car. Next off season it is going to get a trick 4 cylinder built. This year was body and suspension, next year is power.:D
 

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Wait a minute....

wasn't there a GT3 in your garage for a while?

kj
 
2:13 on street tires?!!! Wow. That's awesome.

I haven't tracked my M yet. I sorta want to. It's boring on the road and too long for tight twisties like an AX. It's really incredibly grippy on the bigger sweepers and really responds well to throttle adjustments. But the lack of "wind in your face, sun on your skin" kinda thing puts a damper on it for me. It accelerates like nuts but if you add the "I'm couped up in here" with the "this thing doesn't have the steering feel of a Boxster" and it's kind of a drag. Also, the brakes are overboosted to the point of being really annoying. It's not just me. It's been written about - I found out when I started trying to research a fix. The end result is that most people feel like BMW is trying to suggest that it has super strong brakes by overboosting but they ended up with brakes that are so hard to modulate. The "intangibles" of a Porsche have really become clear since I moved on. Porsches can be driven neatly and meticulously. Other cars (even cars which are raved about like the M3 ZCP) are often a pickaxe compared to a surgical knife.

I'm hoping for a 997 Cab cuz I want the engine and the open top. But if I can't wait for the funds, then I'm hoping that in 2 or 3 years the latest Box S will be about where the Cayman is now (power wise).

Hey, I'll try to make the next AX and hopefully will see you there. It would be great to catch up.
 
Hey, is that the same beautiful 914 that I took pix of at the AX? I thought you were conspicuously absent too but then maybe you were just hiding in a diff car.
 
Nope Scott, I wasn't at AX #2. Car was having some mid RPM miss issues that had to be attended to before this weekends TT at Thunderhill.
All is well now and I am ready to go...
Would be good to see you and the BMW at an AX event...you too Joe.
I will probably make it to the next AX event for GGR.
 
Cayman is by far the best handling modern Porsche! I got it down to 2:10 at Thunderhill 4/28. The car was 100% stock.

Ken, I sold my GT3. Had it for few months. GT3 was FAST but not as fun to drive as Cayman.

Joe
 

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That is awesommmmmme. You absolutely buried my best time and mine came benefit of a 3 or 4 second tire advantage. I love it, too. I remember when people were reading the first road test reviews. The "other" board was full of posts lamenting the 0-60 performance.

Random Tool on PPBB: It's only 0.1sec faster than the 987S....
Me: So what? It's faster on a road course than the 997 Coupe.
RToP: But the 0-60...
Me: How many times do you ever drive your car that way? 0-60 means crap. It's traction limited. It's part of the acceleration curve that never shows up on the track. It's a worthless stat on the road and on the track.
RToP: Why do the mfgs use it then? Hahah! I got ya. Marketing departments would never dangle shiny keys of irrelevance in front of an unknowledgable public.
Me: I give up.

BTW, do you have PASM? I'm already looking to get back into a Porsche and I'm pretty sure I'll go for PASM.
 
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